Title | Value |
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Optical block : | KSS-190A |
Laser : | GaAIAs Dual Hetero Diode |
Wavelength : | 780nm |
Error Correction : | Sony Super Strategy |
Outputs : | 1x Twin Link, |
1x Coaxial (EIAJ) | |
PC : | 13W |
Dimensions : | 47 x 12,5 x 41cm |
Weight : | 17kg |
Accessories : | RM-A1 remote control |
SOC-10 Twin Link cable | |
2 transport safety screws | |
List price : | 4000$ (1988) |
300,000¥ (1988) |
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- SONY CDP-R1a & DAS-R1a (15)last updated by mpd - 16/07/2011, 17H50
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#1mpd27/09/10
18H57Hi All,
Well it's landed....A mint condition low use SONY CDP-R1a & DAS-R1a
after a few delays on the dispatch front, will be hooking it up tonight and doing the A/B comparison against the CDP R3.
Mark -
#2mpd01/10/10
12H50Well after few days of listening I can report that the Sony CDP R1a and DAS R1a is simply sublime. It is better than the CDP R3 but in ways where the music tone is more full and rich. The detail is amazing but I am not saying sparking top end SACD detail or like many modern CD players available now that seem slanted in this direction.
Have been spinning Bach Brandenburg Concertos by Karajan & Berlin Philharmoiker and Bernstien's Malher 5 Symphony by Deutsche Grammophon. The strings are so life like and hearing more the technique of the musicians playing is a fantastic revelation.
Even Modern music like Dido's 'life for rent' the vocals are more present than the R3.
Jazz has that depth and body between the Bass and drums giving a great platform for Mile Davis trumpet solo on 'Kind of Blue'. I m really talking about separation of the instruments is it strength.
Owning this reference combo is a joy to use and I can only highly recommend it if you take the plunge. A good friend who owns a Sony SCD 1 came round and we ended up listening to some music over a glass of wine! He remarked in his own words that it outperforms the SCD 1 CD playback and has a character all of its own.
The combo really requires good speaker cables, interconnects which is why I think I may need to upgrade from Chorus 2 and Epic speaker cables. TOSLINK is a must.
So to end this mini review I still recommend the R3 as that first step into the world of Sony reference players but the combo R1a and DAS 1a is the ultimate. The difference in wine terms is first(Combo) and second(R3) growths, Bordeaux of course.
I may look out for a DAS 1 with the S1 chips as Axel has, what does everyone think?
Still looking for some amplifier advice as I am currently running the super TA F808es. -
#3Axel01/10/10
14H26Mark,
Still not surprising
The bi-directional Twin-Link does make the overall rendition much more coherent and properly "timed". Over a regular TOS(hiba) it is normal, but it does so over the 75 Ohm coaxial as well which would prove that two-way clocking is one of the crucial key.
Keep the SOC-10 Twin Link cable safe - it would be difficult to find as spare part !
The original DAS-R1 and its dual Philips TDA1541A S1 should make for a very different sound perspective : "old" 16bit vs. 1bit PULSE/SENSE/45bit NS... -
#4mpd01/10/10
16H25Thanks Axel, Yes the twin-link clock definitely has something to do with the reproduction of the sound.
I remember reading an article from Gramphone.net that there was not much difference between the R1/DAS1 and the R1a/DAS 1a and proved to be a useless exercise trying to find any. But I can't comment.
Managed also to get a 'NEW in a sealed box' spare KSS 151A on its way to me as I type, this was expensive!
This combo is an original UK version, have the instructions, remote and original boxes.....one careful owner who went SACD and not used them since 2002!
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#5Stoffie01/10/10
23H32Great to hear you are enjoying it so much. Looking forward to the pictures!
I think it will probably remain a dream for me to ever own this luscious combo. Still not exactly affordable stuff, even after all these years.
I've been listening to an SCD-555ES (with Tentlabs mods) for the past year and a half or so, and while I enjoy its sound, I do feel a craving for the CDP-X777ES again, both in terms of sound and operation.
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#6mpd02/10/10
10H29Thanks Stoffie,
I am not sure how the x777es sounds Axel has a better opinion on this.....although I owned a x779 and that was very good so I guess its almost the same...On the combo R1a/DAS1a it took me three months to persuade the owner to sell it....even though he didn't use it! -
#7mpd02/10/10
10H32and the CDP R3 is head and shoulders above the x779es if that helps..... -
#8mpd03/10/10
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#9Rare_Hifi01/12/10
13H30Mark,
I completely missed this thread. Congratulations on this purchase, a really beautiful find. How does the performance compare to any other players you have owned besides the R3?
I think that an investment in this combination will really pay off over time. When you compare it to modern players there really is little difference and the Sony cd/dac is still up there with the best of the best....I think some people are slowly realising that they have been had in modern audio.
Ritchie -
#10Sergey197701/12/10
16H07mpd wrote:Well after few days of listening I can report that the Sony CDP R1a and DAS R1a is simply sublime. It is better than the CDP R3 but in ways where the music tone is more full and rich. The detail is amazing but I am not saying sparking top end SACD detail or like many modern CD players available now that seem slanted in this direction.
Have been spinning Bach Brandenburg Concertos by Karajan & Berlin Philharmoiker and Bernstien's Malher 5 Symphony by Deutsche Grammophon. The strings are so life like and hearing more the technique of the musicians playing is a fantastic revelation.
Even Modern music like Dido's 'life for rent' the vocals are more present than the R3.
Jazz has that depth and body between the Bass and drums giving a great platform for Mile Davis trumpet solo on 'Kind of Blue'. I m really talking about separation of the instruments is it strength.
Owning this reference combo is a joy to use and I can only highly recommend it if you take the plunge. A good friend who owns a Sony SCD 1 came round and we ended up listening to some music over a glass of wine! He remarked in his own words that it outperforms the SCD 1 CD playback and has a character all of its own.
The combo really requires good speaker cables, interconnects which is why I think I may need to upgrade from Chorus 2 and Epic speaker cables. TOSLINK is a must.
So to end this mini review I still recommend the R3 as that first step into the world of Sony reference players but the combo R1a and DAS 1a is the ultimate. The difference in wine terms is first(Combo) and second(R3) growths, Bordeaux of course.
I may look out for a DAS 1 with the S1 chips as Axel has, what does everyone think?
Still looking for some amplifier advice as I am currently running the super TA F808es.
Gonfratulations, very nice combo.
Let me help you a little bit with your new amps choice.
As you have purchsed the combo 1a you should get the new amp to benefit from the sound quality 100%.
In my opinion you should go for the amps with XLR balanced inputs hich provides the shortest direct path for signal from D/A section to amplification. Your current amp TA-F808ES does not have XLRs. My proposition is to try Sony TA-FA7ES, TA-FA777ES as well as TA-E90ES/TA-N90ES. Also these amps sounds much better than your current TA-F808ES.
However, it is quit difficult to recommend on which amp suits you because I have no idea about your speakers.
Of course, to buy the match series you can go for TA-E1/TA-N1. But on my point of view these combo does not provide very good value/for money being overevaluated.
Also you ca have a look at another producers like Pioneer Exclusive. Beautiful amp is Pioneer A-09: Pure class A amplification, golden connectors and, of course, XLR inputs. You will not be dissapointed with this amp which could be compared to a good tube amp in sound section.
If you decide to sell your TA-F808ES please do not hesitate to contact me.
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#11mpd01/12/10
20H15Rare_Hifi wrote:Mark,
I completely missed this thread. Congratulations on this purchase, a really beautiful find. How does the performance compare to any other players you have owned besides the R3?
I think that an investment in this combination will really pay off over time. When you compare it to modern players there really is little difference and the Sony cd/dac is still up there with the best of the best....I think some people are slowly realising that they have been had in modern audio.
Ritchie
Thanks Ritchie, its a great combo - well it is head and shoulders above the cdp x779es and x707es, haven't tried anything else except SONY (Axel and me have something in common we like sony CD players) main reason for going backwards or forwards is that most of the media has always been CD, like SACD alot but not enough titles. This combo still delivers would like to head to head with the CDP R1/DAS R1. Looking for a good R10 combo the hunt is on....
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#12mpd01/12/10
20H25Sergey1977 wrote:mpd wrote:Well after few days of listening I can report that the Sony CDP R1a and DAS R1a is simply sublime. It is better than the CDP R3 but in ways where the music tone is more full and rich. The detail is amazing but I am not saying sparking top end SACD detail or like many modern CD players available now that seem slanted in this direction.
Have been spinning Bach Brandenburg Concertos by Karajan & Berlin Philharmoiker and Bernstien's Malher 5 Symphony by Deutsche Grammophon. The strings are so life like and hearing more the technique of the musicians playing is a fantastic revelation.
Even Modern music like Dido's 'life for rent' the vocals are more present than the R3.
Jazz has that depth and body between the Bass and drums giving a great platform for Mile Davis trumpet solo on 'Kind of Blue'. I m really talking about separation of the instruments is it strength.
Owning this reference combo is a joy to use and I can only highly recommend it if you take the plunge. A good friend who owns a Sony SCD 1 came round and we ended up listening to some music over a glass of wine! He remarked in his own words that it outperforms the SCD 1 CD playback and has a character all of its own.
The combo really requires good speaker cables, interconnects which is why I think I may need to upgrade from Chorus 2 and Epic speaker cables. TOSLINK is a must.
So to end this mini review I still recommend the R3 as that first step into the world of Sony reference players but the combo R1a and DAS 1a is the ultimate. The difference in wine terms is first(Combo) and second(R3) growths, Bordeaux of course.
I may look out for a DAS 1 with the S1 chips as Axel has, what does everyone think?
Still looking for some amplifier advice as I am currently running the super TA F808es.
Gonfratulations, very nice combo.
Let me help you a little bit with your new amps choice.
As you have purchsed the combo 1a you should get the new amp to benefit from the sound quality 100%.
In my opinion you should go for the amps with XLR balanced inputs hich provides the shortest direct path for signal from D/A section to amplification. Your current amp TA-F808ES does not have XLRs. My proposition is to try Sony TA-FA7ES, TA-FA777ES as well as TA-E90ES/TA-N90ES. Also these amps sounds much better than your current TA-F808ES.
However, it is quit difficult to recommend on which amp suits you because I have no idea about your speakers.
Of course, to buy the match series you can go for TA-E1/TA-N1. But on my point of view these combo does not provide very good value/for money being overevaluated.
Also you ca have a look at another producers like Pioneer Exclusive. Beautiful amp is Pioneer A-09: Pure class A amplification, golden connectors and, of course, XLR inputs. You will not be dissapointed with this amp which could be compared to a good tube amp in sound section.
If you decide to sell your TA-F808ES please do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards
Thanks for the advice will stay with SONY only, (building that vintage set) I really like the RCA sound and now have a chord signiture plus cable it sounds great. the TA F808ES is a great amp so I am not sure how great the improvement would be on the FA7ES as I have not heard one. My speakers 4x SONY SS A1L great speakers like the ROGERS LS3's - Anyone else.....AXEL? -
#13stchedro16/07/11
15H09Been using by DASR1a now for a few weeks. It is great now that I have solved the annoying and hard to find dry joint problem. But the sound, Oh the sound is amazing. Really amazing. Real rock solid stereo image and clean highs. I've never heard a stereo image like it. Much much much better than I remember the DASR1 which had a rather odd DSP setup that made it sound rather hard on the treble. Directly through the onboard volume control on the N902 it is amazing, I've also tried the E88/N7 combo and you do get real bass out of it. Now I've got to find out which pre sounds best E900, E901, E88 with which power. I have a feeling that I am going to enjoy messing around with this.
The bass is punchy but at the same time totally laid back. You can feel the bass through the floor with drum rolls or low plucked double bass notes but it isn't in your face, it is matter of factly reported to the listener. Well recorded material sounds amazing, poorly recorded material is shredded and totally laid bare. But at the same time the R1a is easy to live with as you just feel you are getting a faithful report, if something doesn't sound quite right it is usually pretty clear what the problem is over panned or to much balance to a close mike (split stereo location is easy to hear).
BTW the R1a sounds dreadful with Sonos and also with up-sampling via my MACBookPro but sounds amazing at straight 44.1 kHz. -
#14Axel16/07/11
16H15Six out of the eight of the Stereo Sound reviewers (JP) used a DAS-R1a at home until the late 90s.
The same previously had a DAS-R1 :)
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#15mpd16/07/11
17H50stchedro wrote:Been using by DASR1a now for a few weeks. It is great now that I have solved the annoying and hard to find dry joint problem.
Stchedro Mine has the same problem it happens every so often, where did you find it? I am still serching mpd
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- Sony CDP R3 (9)last updated by virushaus - 03/11/2010, 21H24
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#1mpd09/09/10
18H56Hi All,
Just wanted to drop a line to tell everyone that a CDP R3 landed this week and have had this hooked up to my TA F808ES.
All I can say is WOW!
I didn't think there would be much difference in sound but boy was I
wrong....
The picture it paints when listening to music is so sublime, full and rich,
details of music that I never heard before, slightly dark in character
and the vocals are really amazing so present like they are there in front of you, I
never heard my 4x SS A1L's
sound better.
Owning a x779es I thought this was good, but the x707es was better but
not much, but this player's and its DAC is 10 times better than the x707es must be the 18 Bit Burr Brown 1702 that make the difference, along with the Mechanism
It surprised me did A/B testing using chorus 2 RCA interconnects and chorus Epic speaker cable and some good Redbook CD's.
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#2Axel10/09/10
20H13mpd,
Nice score
Did you source it from Japan ?
Owning a CDP-R1 / DAS-R1 combo, your listening result don't surprise me but for the fact that the CDP-R3 is older than both the CDP-X779ES and CDP-X707ES : 1989 !
It is the d/a section and mechanism of the R3 which gave way to the Pulse-equipped X7s (45bit filter, SENS noise shaping, CXD2552Q and above) so I guess it is the execution and even beefier power-supply section that make it better than its non-R and later siblings...
Post images here if you can - these R players are so magnificently built, they make everything else pale in comparison !
(ok - but for the Luxman DP-07 / DA-07).
a.
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#3mpd11/09/10
20H42Thanks Axel,
was sourced from Germany from a collector who rarely used it all, originally from Japan,
Will post some pictures soon,
Got a CDP R1a/DAS1a landing next week
Will A/B that against the R3.
The results surprised me too.
I put the x707es back in the rack today just to double check and spun a few discs but the R3 is still so much better...
Mark -
#4mpd13/09/10
22H45 -
#5Stoffie14/09/10
10H24Makes me want one, all over again...
Beautiful! -
#6Axel14/09/10
19H52Yes Mark, the laser is the KSS-151A or 151AR if it is (was) a later Sony Replacement part.
I know these are getting expensive despite the fact they were used in many (many) Sony OEM drives (Teac VRDS-10, VRDS-20, Denon and others) but they are bound to get more expensive...
Spare lasers are very rare items in Japan so if one pops up here in Europe or in the US... jump on the train fast if you can !
Stoffie,
You have an X777ES, right ?
I sold my last one last month to cover TVK expenses... but the new owner couldn't believe how radically it slashed his VRDS-20 !
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#7mpd14/09/10
20H50Hi Axel,
Thanks for the info, understood, now on the hunt for a spare KSS 151A, anyone?
Would like to say thank you to Axel for all the work you do and the site which has been amazing for all items SONY
I hope that everyone supports this site as I don't think Axel having to sell his X777es is fair, come on everyone let's support him and take a knobber pass. Only 25 euro fantastic value is what I say better than all those magazines.I shall be taking a knobber account.
Stoffie thanks makes me want to get another one!
Mark -
#8Stoffie15/09/10
08H13My CDP-X777ES has been sitting for the past year or so. I've been using my modded SCD-555ES, as my X777ES is a bit skippy on certain cd's, but only the first few tracks. I still have to have my mechanic check it out sometime, but haven't even been able to drive to the Netherlands to pick up my revised PS-X800 and TC-K8ES, they've been sitting there for two years now.Shame on me, but I hardly have time to listen to music anymore, which sucks.
I remember a KSS-151A popping up on eBay every now and then, so you could keep your eyes open on that auction site.
If you have more awesome Sony stuff, please do show! Guess I should start posting some of my own gear too! -
#9virushaus03/11/10
21H24mpd wrote:Thanks for the info, understood, now on the hunt for a spare KSS 151A, anyone?
here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Laser-SONY-KSS-151A-KSS151A-KSS-151-A-/190462645742?pt=DE_Elektronik_Computer_Audio_Hi_Fi_CD_Player&hash=item2c587555ee#ht_2354wt_932
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- Does anyone know who can repair a CDP-R1? (5)last updated by Axel - 26/06/2011, 22H40
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#1jshowalter26/06/11
10H48We get skips and weird repeat-over-and-overs again. Perhaps the laser just needs to be cleaned. It would be a shame to abandon this incredible piece of technology, but if it's not going to read CDs, it's an expensive brick.
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#2Axel26/06/11
18H20Jim,
Although your CDP-R1 is now twenty-two or -three years old, it may not necessarily be the laser itself causing the skips : servos and related power-supplies can also fail. Apparently, they often show their age before the laser.
And that is repairable :)
Was your unit used often and/or at length or irregularily and/or not for long ?
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#3jshowalter26/06/11
19H33It's been a gradually increasing problem over the past five years or so.
We used it every day for an hour or more since we got it new.
Would Sony be able to repair it? -
#4Axel26/06/11
19H57Ah... mmm, this doesn't sound too good but still doesn't necessarily mean the laser is the the crux.
Never mind Sony, it's been out in the woods on such matters since forever, be it about APM surrounds or spare CD lasers.
You'll have to give your R1 to an experienced digital tech with the service manual and posts such as this one in mind (http://www.thevintageknob.org/tvk_talk/viewtopic.php?f=1501&t=1835) even if the latter applies to slightly more recent Sony CDPs.
My own R1 still works great but I do fear the day it will start to wander around... So much so that I've decided to make half-year turns where the other half is put in music with a Philips CD104 :) -
#5Axel26/06/11
22H40jshowalter,
Neither ilimzn or I are in California or even in the US of A.
But there is one Knobber member here on TVK (Crossy, really in Austria) who might have a lead on people able to do such surgery.
Otherwise, Stan_ at http://www.vintage-audio-laser.com could naturally work on an R1... but he's in France, like me.
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- 1984...2015 (18)last updated by MarkB - 18/04/2016, 20H15
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#1Axel27/09/15
20H03It took me a while, even a website and a trillion hours to find what I wanted :
first system 1984, second one in 1994-98, third in 2014 - and now I am done.
(ctrl+click for full-size view)
I have alternates of course (CD-95, B-3, TA-N7B, all the pre-Esprit, TA-AX7, A-X9 and a few others) but this set works and sounds heavenly on the
APM-77W which are incidentally the one object that caught my teenage eye in 1982 and attracted me to Sony. I also managed to keep some cute
collectibles like the Pioneer P-D1, Yam' CD-1, Victor XL-V1, PS-F9, PS-Q7s etc but almost all of the surplus is now gone - and I don't miss it a bit.
I thank here the few who did actively and tangibly help throughout the years in finding, buying and repairing all this, sometimes even
giving gear away.
For the others... so long.
ax. -
#2Sam Z03/10/15
15H32That's a good place to be. -
#3NEMOaudio03/10/15
17H17Axel wrote:... so long.
ax.
You mean you play a Leonard Cohen song like...So long Marianne, isn't it? -
#4doomlord_uk22/10/15
07H58Ah, to be able to say that.... I'm not even close, and fear I have it far worse than you (in terms of desire...).
Anyway, if you can truly say you're happy then that is a very fine thing - felicitations!
I don't believe I've ever seen any actual photos of your equipment or systems though, apart from the snippet above... is there any chance we will be treated? -
#5NEMOaudio23/10/15
21H53doomlord_uk wrote:........apart from the snippet above... is there any chance we will be treated?
You can enlarge that photo with "right click on picture with your mouse then open in new window" -
#6doomlord_uk26/10/15
08H37Thanks Nemo -
#7Axel12/01/16
17H342016 :
This should last until about 2036.
Maybe even 2046 (I have a spare NOS KSS-190A for the CDP-R1).
Make that 2056 (and a spare DTC-2000ES).
By which time I'll be 88.
Ah - it'll probably outlive me. -
#8Stoffie27/01/16
07H33Beautiful picture of a great setup. I just love that ST-J55 and TA-F55 set in their TAC-70 cabinets, looks so right and blends right in with the other gear.
I miss the days of TVK updates, always something interesting to look forward to back then. -
#9doomlord_uk31/01/16
21H47I too miss the updates....
I hope this site outlives you too Axel -
#10MarkB14/02/16
01H32Beautiful system Axel. I love the R1's! -
#11Axel08/04/16
18H44And here is the lodgeable version - the R1s do sound heavenly but really are, physically, monsters.
I'd like to fit the TC-K88B in another TAC-70 but I'd have to find another of the latter and the K88B is too deep anyway ; otherwise it's a perfect fit, albeit much too heavy for such flimsy enclosures.
Not "flimsy" but made to hold only lightweight units : 4,6kg (V700) or 3,7kg (T700) vs the 10kg of the K88B !
Yes I have been blessed in finding (or being given) almost always NOS components, and almost always TOTL ones, too :
the TA-N7B, TA-AX7, PS-Q7, CDP-101, CD303, TC-K88B, DTC-2000ES, V700/T700, CD-95 and PS-8750 are all as new as can be !
TVK proved a huge failure but my forever system is a success... call that a slight revenge ;-) -
#12Stoffie11/04/16
16H34Very nice setup Axel! Those 55 components are just pretty, especially when encompassed by the TAC cabinets.
But how come the switches and knobs look black ? Is that just the way the picture was taken ? Nice touch anyway!
I've been enjoying my TA-F55 for quite some time in the past, I might have to press it back into service one of these days.
You sure are lucky to find all these minters! Jealous, still! -
#13Axel11/04/16
23H10Those are the Wega versions : V700 (=F55) and T700 (=J55).
Bar the different scripting and colors (all buttons/knobs & V700 display) and anodizing (fronts), they are technically fully equivalent to the F55 and J55.
About 2000 V700 made, possibly more of the T700 - very rare nowadays, but always very... cheap !
No idea why people haven't yet caught up to the (sound) qualities and reliability ; same for the Precise TA-P7F - I guess some will remain sleepers forever... -
#14Stoffie12/04/16
08H17Ah! I should have noticed the lacking Sony moniker in the top left corner! The WEGA treatment definitely gives them a certain distinction I like a lot.
Rare doesn't always have to mean big bucks, but that in itself is a rare thing in this world. -
#15Axel12/04/16
09H03The entire scripting is Hellgrau, and closer to hell than grau if you understand my German.
("hell" in german means "light", "clear" so hellgrau is light-grey)
This is the same color scheme as what made for the 86Bs and 88Bs (except for the latter the scripting is stamped + painted) and that is part of what makes them remain "light" and not burdened by text allover (ŕ la Onkyo or Yamaha) and despite the fact that the font itself is slightly bigger on the Wegas. -
#16Axel12/04/16
11H31And if you wonder, the actual tint of those Wegas is NOT the same as :
> the 6s and 7s "B" (N7B, A6B etc ; ranging from warm-grey to green-ish),
> the Falcon's "B" (TAE-20FB, TC-15FB etc ; very warm red-ish),
> the 86s and 88s "B" (E86B, K88B etc ; ranging from pure neutral grey to verging toward either cold [magenta] or warm [yellow]),
The Wega finish is way more neutral than the former two but it nevertheless has a slight warm (yello-ish) undertone.
Anodizing is also shinier than that of the "B" pre-Esprit so it reacts to ambient light much faster and stronger : one has to put a 1kW lamp up close to get some reflections from the 86B/88Bs !).
The end result is very close to the mid/late 1980s "titanium" Yamahas but warmer in tint and smoother in surface with less "hairlines" - call that perfection :) -
#17NEMOaudio14/04/16
19H16I think my WEGA C120 is slightly darker (called gun grey in the brochure) then the YAMAHA Titanium and the lettering is not so "hell" just gray -
#18MarkB18/04/16
20H15Stoffie wrote:Very nice setup Axel! Those 55 components are just pretty, especially when encompassed by the TAC cabinets.
The cabinet is wonderful. I don't suppose they're available in the US, but can someone provide a link to a catalog?
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